Worried Lebanese

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My approach to dealing with Israel/Palestine

Posted by worriedlebanese on 02/11/2007

face_off_israeli_soldier_palestinian_man.jpgFor over a year now, I have been experimenting with a new approach to deal with the Israeli/Palestinian issue. If one has to sum it up in one word, it would be “non-arithmetic”. I deliberately choose not to add 1 and 1, not to subtract an Israeli perspective from a Palestinian one (or vice versa), but to juxtapose them, to approach them as separate and distinct even though they pertain mostly to the same objects (land, places and dates).
In times of extreme polarisation, I believe there’s no other way to proceed because the conflict is so vibrant, there is no place for shifts and change, no place for a meta-narrative, no place for conflicting sub-narratives. Any attempt to increase the value of those narratives will ultimately fail because of the strong polarisation that affects everyone (from which no one can be immune from). Even if a person has a different perspective, he will have to take sides and sacrifice even his own experience to the narrative shared by his group. This is the price one pays for belonging.
The non-arithmetic approach that I have adopted is not a neutral one. I don’t believe there is such a thing. Actually, I don’t quite understand the meaning of the word “neutrality” or “objectivity” in such a context. When one faced with several narratives, how can one be neutral toward them? All narratives are subjective, and each and everyone of us follows one or another according to his/her inclinations. For a debate over my positioning, you could check out a debate I had a year ago with a fellow blogger Taltalk “Weighing victimhood and competing suffering”

11 Responses to “My approach to dealing with Israel/Palestine”

  1. Nick said

    Hi,

    Please can you let me know where you got this pic from?

    Kind Regards
    Nick

  2. Sorry Nick, but I honestly haven’t got a clue. But it’s fairly common in cyberspace (esp in pro Palestinian sites).

  3. Zoran said

    I’ve been trying to find this pic for weeks.

    I think it received an award some time ago…

  4. Susan said

    You can scream and lie how Jewish have the right to Palestine. But Facts or better than fiction. You can keep using fiction to prove you have claim to palestine. But you cant use fiction in a court of law. you cant reason with fiction or fake God? Will your God take the stand in Court? Stop using Propagand and fiction to excuse your occupation. Peace cant happen while you use Religion and fiction as excuse for occupation. The truth is the only way to peace. Stop protecting a living lie! Fiction
    2009 saw yet another disgusting attack on human rights and humanity. Israel wants to become a super power – go ahead, in this life you can kil and humiliate – but in the after life you are the ones who will humilliated – i only pray that your pain n the afterlife is not for eternity and god will eventually forgive the pain you have caused to the people of Palestine and the humane world! Allah akbar!
    Israel evacuated 10,000 Israelis from Gaza and “KILLED & INJURED” 6000 Palestinian in Gaza. Think about it
    Waht we saw in Ghaza and what we saw before few years in Palestine its clear that Isreal is the world enemy, and it will never make peace with any country in the world, and many thanks for Hetler cause he burned half of them and frankly speaking Isreal deserve more than what Hetler did
    It saddens me that thousands of Palestinians were ma*ssacred by Israel in Gaza last year and it saddens me that thousands more are now maimed, orphaned, bereaved and destitute. Jews who defend Israel’s brutality and pretend to be the victims here should be ashamed of themselves. Where is the human in you?
    Let the world see how evil zionist and Jews really are. They Steal land they have no right two. They use Religion and claims of Divie rights to Arab Land. Is that legal? To use Religion as excuse to steal and kill? What kinda Wicked Religion is this? Sounds Satanic! Anywho The occupation of palestine is not legal. And UN needs to fix the mess it made. Kicking palestinians off their land to please wicked Zionist is here for the world to see. Look in see evil in Israel! Murder of babies
    THE PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM THE EVIL ZIONIST OPPRESION!!!!! ONE THING ISRAEL DOES NOT KNOW, THAT THE PALESTINIANS ARE STRONG AND NO MATTER WHAT ISRAEL DOES TO THEM, THEY WILL NEVER EVER GIVE UP!!!!! THEY HAVENT GIVEN UP IN 70+ YEARS, WHY SHOULD THEY GIVE UP NOW!!!!!!!!

    • Oh my!
      There’s a whole lot of anger in what you wrote Susan, and I do understand where this anger is coming from. There are a lot of things happening in our region that are truly enraging.
      But I’m a worried Lebanese, not an angry one. And I try to keep my temper under control. I think that you should try to do the same.
      Behind the anger you express there is a lot of hate and abuse. I believe there is a difference between a discourse on justice and a discourse on hate. Yes, Israel & Zionism are responsible for a lot of pain, suffering, destruction in our region. You speak of Gaza, and I can’t help but remember the July war in 2006. The IDF is a very brutal war machine and its actions are backed by an irresponsible political class and a society with an insular mentality that at best is totally insensitive to the suffering it causes (and that sometimes justifies it).
      Now there are two ways of dealing with this. You can either choose to consider this source of suffering as an evil enemy that should be fought by all means possible. Or you can choose to see how you can deal with the whole problem and seek justice and peace.

      I believe you chose the first option. I don’t think it is a very productive one. I actually think it’s actually counterproductive because it will bring about more hate and more destruction. By considering Israel and its supporters as evil. By condemning and insulting judaism and jews worldwide you are feeding your own hate and also the fear and hate of jews and supporters of Israel. What good can come from such an approach. The only good thing about it is its immediate affect on you: you feel relieved from all the tension and frustrating by violently expressing your feelings against one specific target. But unfortunately, it doesn’t stop there. Those who are reading and hearing you are going to react to what you said. Those who agree with you will join you in you hate. Those who support Israel will only see the hate you express and will be shocked by it and will feel threatened or insulted by it. It will strengthen their hate for everything you defend…

      I prefer the second option. I’d rather deal with the whole issue, look at each side’s responsibility, see how the suffering can be stopped and how reparations can be made. So the questions I ask myself are the following:
      – What can be done to make the IDF less brutal?
      – What can be done to make the Israeli political class responsible for its actions and those of the IDF?
      – What can be done to make the Israeli mentality less insular and more sensitive to the suffering it’s state and army has caused and continue to provoke?

      • Autumn said

        A little misleading of you to call on Susan for her expression of rage, if you yourself are a HYPOCRITE. All the points you came up with for bringing “justice and peace” have to do with how the IDF can change its approach. Maybe you should consider what the terrorist groups Gaza relies so greatly upon should do, or more specifically, NOT DO, and discuss these matters over with someone who sees things from the opposite side. Otherwise, you’re not really considering this matter openly, you are still a Lebanese citizen who shares the same typical views of Jews and Israelis as most (or a considerable amount) of Middle Eastern Arabs do, and you are still pro-palestine and pro-everything-arab-related. I wonder how none of you even take into consideration that the Jewish population of the world, not to mention Israel, is so incredibly insignificant, and yet the number of Arab settlers everywhere just keeps on growing…and yet somehow, Israel is striving for global dominance…has it ever occured to you they are just trying to SURVIVE?

  5. Susan said

    What kind of democracy that uses F16s, tanks, cluster, phosphorous and DIME bombs against an imprisoned and defenceless population? What kind of army that shoots children and babies in the head and executes their parents before their eyes? What kind of people that support and defend such barbaric acts? And what kind of God would bless such country or people? How far can a group of people be allowed to depart from humanity before they would no longer be regarded as humans?

    LONG LIVE OUR NATION F-U-C-K Jews
    Can one of you Zionist tell me why the story in the torah and Bible or the same ones in Egyption Religion?? Can One of you Zionist explain how your Religion isnt stolen from Egyption religion?? You occupie palestine with Divine lie? From bogus religion.. You never had land. Your Nomads. So stop telling lies and work with the real owner of land and make peace. But leave the fiction at home, Nothing you can do about a religion thats 3000 years older than yours. but copy off of it.. So Sad
    You wish that only muslims would vote for palestine. But anyone thats not stupid would vote against occupation. You came to palestine as refugees and became dictators. with thug IDF the jr Nazis. The Zionist scam is Religion. Your fiction of promised land is laughable. Tell me why your religion stole from Egyption religion. Your fiction dosent stand up to facts. ONLY JEWISH VOTE FOR OCCUPATION. Surf the web and see students in US have rally for palestine. Not just muslims. your just racist

  6. Susan said

    peace will be done when pregn@nt \”israeli\” women get sh0t at and the Palestinian army p0rtrays such b@rbarism on their t-shirts or entire villages get m@ssacred like your Zionist forefathers did to steal the land for Zionists or dime an phosphorus bombs get dropped on \”your\” cities or when land gets confisc@ted from you.
    zionism also steals minds,,look how they got those poor people\’s minds washed,,can you believe how deep zionists got their minds washed ? they tell them what happened in gaza was self-defence in spite of 500 children were killed they still repeat after them yes what happened was self-defence
    Palestinians have every right, under international law, to fight against the occupying power. It used to be their land until they were evicted at gunpoint by Jewish murdering thugs. The Zionist settlers living on stolen property have no right to live in security or peace. Those who say genocidal racist statements like Israel has the right to defend itself should be ashamed. And when people accept the Zionist right to ma.ss murder and plunder others, they are accepting a criminal ideology
    vote for the innocent babies and toddlers, children and teenagers, men and women, mothers and fathers, uncles and cousins, neighbours and friends, who were all ma.ssacred in Gaza for doing no wrong but being born in a land occupied by heartless and ruthless people. Even the unborn, the dead, and pets did not escape Israel’s brutality. Streets and neighbourhoods have vanished, people were incinerated and entire families and generations were wiped out.
    In the human history for centuries the Jews were known as liars. Even their religion encourages them to lie

  7. Susan said

    The whole world knows that Jews plundered Palestine. No matter how hard you try to twist, turn and flip facts and history, pigs will never fly!
    Besides Jesus Himself, perhaps it was the prophet Jeremiah (another “anti-Semite” stoned to death by the Jews for his refusal to see things “their way“) who said it best- “On your clothes men find the lifeblood of the innocent poor, and yet you dare to say ‘I am innocent!’… Among these people are wicked men who lie in wait like men who snare birds…Their house is full of deceit and their evil deeds have no limit… No one speaks the truth… They have no shame at all and do not know how to blush…”
    You can scream and lie how Jewish have the right to Palestine. But Facts or better than fiction. You can keep using fiction to prove you have claim to palestine. But you cant use fiction in a court of law. you cant reason with fiction or fake God? Will your God take the stand in Court? Stop using Propagand and fiction to excuse your occupation. Peace cant happen while you use Religion and fiction as excuse for occupation. The truth is the only way to peace. Stop protecting a living lie! Fiction
    2009 saw yet another disgusting attack on human rights and humanity. Israel wants to become a super power – go ahead, in this life you can kil and humiliate – but in the after life you are the ones who will humilliated – i only pray that your pain n the afterlife is not for eternity and god will eventually forgive the pain you have caused to the people of Palestine and the humane world! Allah akbar!
    Israel evacuated 10,000 Israelis from Gaza and “KILLED & INJURED” 6000 Palestinian in Gaza. Think about it
    Waht we saw in Ghaza and what we saw before few years in Palestine its clear that Isreal is the world enemy, and it will never make peace with any country in the world, and many thanks for Hetler cause he burned half of them and frankly speaking Isreal deserve more than what Hetler did
    It saddens me that thousands of Palestinians were ma*ssacred by Israel in Gaza last year and it saddens me that thousands more are now maimed, orphaned, bereaved and destitute. Jews who defend Israel’s brutality and pretend to be the victims here should be ashamed of themselves. Where is the human in you?
    Let the world see how evil zionist and Jews really are. They Steal land they have no right two. They use Religion and claims of Divie rights to Arab Land. Is that legal? To use Religion as excuse to steal and kill? What kinda Wicked Religion is this? Sounds Satanic! Anywho The occupation of palestine is not legal. And UN needs to fix the mess it made. Kicking palestinians off their land to please wicked Zionist is here for the world to see. Look in see evil in Israel! Murder of babies

  8. sdfs said

    The picture is not of an Israeli soldier by the way… We do not have soliders that wear a uniform and beret like that…

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